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  • Hmm... Possibility of a 'reverse' Dalmation?

    Well, I have one that has little spots on his sides (more than I've usually seen with portholes), and he's sort of a Terra Cotta color when he fires up (I don't know if hes gonna go red or back to buckskin) - it makes me wonder if he could be bred into 'white Dalmation spots' or if it would just go back to Harley patterning. Thoughts? (My apologies for the low quality photos)



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    Those wouldn't qualify as dal spots.
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    • #3
      Yes - I'm aware of this, thank you. The intended question from the original post is whether these white spots could be enhanced and enumerated, or whether it would revert back to standard portholes, or some sort of Harley patterning.
      Originally posted by WillC View Post
      Those wouldn't qualify as dal spots.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by PartyGecko View Post
        Yes - I'm aware of this, thank you. The intended question from the original post is whether these white spots could be enhanced and enumerated, or whether it would revert back to standard portholes, or some sort of Harley patterning.

        I get what you are saying, those are interesting! I wouldn't know what to call them, but reverse dal spots is a good place to start.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by PartyGecko View Post
          Yes - I'm aware of this, thank you. The intended question from the original post is whether these white spots could be enhanced and enumerated, or whether it would revert back to standard portholes, or some sort of Harley patterning.
          Originally posted by PartyGecko View Post
          it makes me wonder if he could be bred into 'white Dalmation spots'

          You asked if you could breed for "White Dalmatian Spots". Since the trait your gecko is exhibiting is NOT dalmatian spots, you would just be misrepresenting your animal's traits. My reply is valid.

          I believe Roxanne @ GeckoLuv is working on some pairs with similar white markings. http://tinyurl.com/WhiteSpots Scroll down to bottom.

          ETA: White Spotted Project Example
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          • #6
            I don't believe these could be considered dalmatian spots because they appear only on his sides. I would say maybe it is something akin to 'just a lot of portholes' which I don't see why you couldn't try to breed for this. I don't necessarily think harlequin and porthole traits are linked because I have an olive patternless with portholes (though they're littlerally a scale in size, but there are 3 on either side of him).

            I would comb around for geckos that may have multiple port hole spots, or very big bold portholes and see what you got. Maybe try to find another patternless with porthole spots..

            Also, from the second photo- it looks as if the spotted scales are raised. Which is really intriguiging. I have a female that has some spots on her side that also have raised scales- almost like pinstriping, but just smattered down her sides.
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            • #7
              I didn't mean to cause irritation by calling them Dal spots, my apologies - that's why I used little ' marks around it - I wasn't sure how else to explain my question as to whether you could get those sorts of white spots all over the body as Dalmation spots appear. Thank you for your responses.

              In case I confused anyone, Dalmation spotting is the kind you find on animals like my Norbert (below):

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              • #8
                http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/...ad.php?t=38560 Take a look at the morph guide
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                • #9
                  From the morph guide: "Portholes consist of three white circle-like formations on the lateral areas (sides) of the gecko right between zones C and D"

                  There are more than three white circle-like formations on my gecko, hence being unsure how to refer to them.

                  Norbert is a high count Dalmation or low count Super Dalmation, I've never sat down and counted exactly how many spots he has, and it would be by count rather than size, as the majority are smaller spots.
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                  • #10
                    There are a lot of geckos out there with white spots on the sides, but I don't believe there is an official term for them.

                    Portholes are white spots in a line on the side of the gecko, your gecko definitely doesn't fall under that definition either.

                    I'm not a fan of 'reverse dalmation spots' because to me it sounds pretty rediculous. I'd just refer to them as white spots.

                    Dalmation was created based on the dog. Dalmation dogs have a white base with black spots. You never see a dog with a black base and white spots.
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                    • #11
                      I have a bright red girl that has the raised white dots on her sides. She has passed them down to many of her babies.
                      I have heard them called raised portholes, but no real clue as to a proper name. I have never seen them anywhere other than the sides of the gecko though.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dragonlvr View Post
                        I have a bright red girl that has the raised white dots on her sides. She has passed them down to many of her babies.
                        I have heard them called raised portholes, but no real clue as to a proper name. I have never seen them anywhere other than the sides of the gecko though.
                        Yeah, they really do need a difinitive name. When I'm back home, I'll take photos of choppy's sides
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                        • #13
                          I'll just refer to them as white spots for now - I think it'd be really interesting to see if they'd spread to somewhere other than the gecko's sides, given specific breeding choices.
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                          • #14
                            I call them "fawn spots" because they remind me of the white spots on baby deer.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Spyral View Post
                              I call them "fawn spots" because they remind me of the white spots on baby deer.
                              That is too cute for words
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