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  • #16
    Originally posted by Treebiscuit View Post
    Out of interest, are you gut-loading the insects you feed your crestie? Have you tried gut-loading the insects with Pangea? This could be another way to get your gecko used to the smell and flavour of CGD.
    The insects I buy are told to be well gut loaded and before giving it to him for 8 months now I have dipped/drained them each time in wet Pangea mix + dusted them extra with D3 and reptile vitamin powder as well, just to make sure he got most possible nutrition.
    But this did not increase his interest in cgd (any brand or flavour) or Pangea (any flavour). To him, if it's not something you can chew and attack it's not food.

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    • #17
      In the wild 0% eat Pangea in a cup in the tree tops, but they are very healthy and make it just fine without cgd.

      I don't get it. If 99% of crested geckos in captivity eat cgd and 1% totally refuses - what makes the healthy gecko in that 1% category to really really NOT eat Pangea?

      Some individuals seems to have extremely strong hunting instinct (like mine) and is in a chronic hunting mode from the time he wakes up, and doesn't see a bowl of goo as food.
      Its as I would see a bowl of dog food on my dinner plate. I would probably eat it before I die, yes, but I mean, should it really have to come to that point with cgd - forced to eat just to not die!?

      Do you see how my thinking goes here?

      In the wild there are now bowls of goo and wild geckos search for half rotten fruit besides eating, probably daily, insects as their main meal.
      They also don't starve themselves for weeks in order to eventually find that mango delicate! They eat what they find is good for them.

      Eating Pangea each day is to me not natural gecko behaviour??!!!
      Eating insects are.

      It's very hard to find people with geckos who's on this severe cgd-strike to talk to in how long they had to see their gecko getting more and more weak but still not eating cgd! Risking it's health?

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      • #18
        Your gecko has preferences and habits but it's not going to starve itself. It might hold out for a while (perhaps even for several weeks), but eventually it will eat the CGD you provide it *so long as you stop feeding it crickets in the meantime*.
        3.3.0 Correlophus ciliatus (crested geckos)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Treebiscuit View Post
          Your gecko has preferences and habits but it's not going to starve itself. It might hold out for a while (perhaps even for several weeks), but eventually it will eat the CGD you provide it *so long as you stop feeding it crickets in the meantime*.
          So exercise starvation is the only option?! And in the mean time for weeks and weeks he get no nutrition what so ever, only water?! No protein?! No D3?!
          Yes I know that everyeone and on every forum they say ; they will eventually eat, they will not starve themselves!

          If I put Pangea/Komodo/Repashy/fruit infront of him in a cup he backs off so fast he almost falls from the thing he's sitting on, just to get away from it. The ONLY way to get SOME Pangea into his system is when I dip dubia in it before giving it to him, as he is so insect crazy he doesn't even think about what's on them as he attacks in a split second.

          For several nights I've had him filmed with night vision camera. He actually jumps around the Pangea bowl just to get as far away from it as possible, take other routes and do big rounds around it to not even get near, and he search for insects all over and sits by the glass and stare for me.

          I can't get anyone to see the severety in this problem and help me, so I'm really just writing things off my chest while I see him getting more and more hungry but deep down inside don't think this starvation test will work and he will get sick from the lack of nutrition.
          However, If I once a week still (as suggested) don't go cold turkey and give him a few dubia, then I am back on stage one again with making him be so starved hungry he is forced - forced - to eat whatever is in the tank (Pangea).


          But how will he get his protein if I can't go back to giving dubia again without having him go on cgd strike again????


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          • #20
            Geckos are not warm-blooded like mammals and don't operate on the same time scale. Not eating for a week or more is something they do regularly in the wild, depending on the availability of food and how dangerous conditions are, etc. You will not be starving your gecko if you provide it with healthy, protein-rich food (CGD) that it happens not to want to eat because something it prefers is easily available! When you were a child, would you have eaten, say, chickpea salad if someone was regularly giving you chocolate cake? Your gecko is not going to suffer from a lack of nutrition. When it gets hungry enough, it will eat, and that will be long before anything harmful happens to it.
            3.3.0 Correlophus ciliatus (crested geckos)

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            • #21
              We are all giving you our best advice here, many from experience. There is not much else we can advise you to do - you are looking for other answers that we don't have. Cresties can go a loooong time without eating, with no ill effects. He keeps looking at you to give the insects to him because that is all he has ever known. The chikpea salad / chocolate cake analogy was a good one. Keep offering him the CGD. He will take it when he is hungry enough. Your only other option is to keep hand-feeding; there is no other magic solution to this.
              Eileen
              TAD "Tiny Ancient Dinosaur" (Crestie), Hidey (Garg), O.G. "Office Gecko" (Bauer's Chameleon gecko), TBD "Tiny Badass Dragon" (Western Bearded Anole), 3.1.0
              Rody Jane (cattledog/stinkwad mix), Dixie Moonpie (rattledog) George P-Dog (lab/Great Pyr) 1.2.0, Ringer (barn cat) 1.0.0

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TAD View Post
                We are all giving you our best advice here, many from experience. There is not much else we can advise you to do - you are looking for other answers that we don't have. Cresties can go a loooong time without eating, with no ill effects. He keeps looking at you to give the insects to him because that is all he has ever known. The chikpea salad / chocolate cake analogy was a good one. Keep offering him the CGD. He will take it when he is hungry enough. Your only other option is to keep hand-feeding; there is no other magic solution to this.
                Ps. I love chikpea salad and would any time of the day say yes to that and no thank you to chocholate cake! (not joking!) ;-)

                I'm ever so greatful for your support and feedback, think nothing else! This is how I see it - My goal is to make him eat cgd and it's my duty as pet owner to do my best to seek help and information in a situation that is a bit odd and not many seem to have experience from - their gecko refusing to eat cgd. 99,9% has never even heared of it.
                But I am also realistic and even though he's just a gecko the personality seems ridiculously strong minded. So this will take time and effort, and I just hope it will not last another 15 years.
                I found a post somewhere yesterday saying that changing food cups or places might help some gecko with cup fobia, so tonight I'll try Pangea on spoons, leaving them on the bottom for him to find them himselves (he likes spoons, he used to have dubia from them also). Fingers crossed!

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                • #23
                  You are doing too many variables. Just leave the cups with food. He will eat when hungry enough

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                  • #24
                    Here's the latest and final update in this cgd story....
                    He was so hungry he jumped right onto my hand and bite my finger several times when I opend the terrarium thinking it was a worm, something he has never done before and it shocked me, he was clearly desperately seeking food.
                    But the cgd was untouched.
                    So I made some calls and I have now talked to two reptile specialist veterinarians and they both individually strongly adviced me to stop starving him in waiting he eventually will eat cgd some day. They know some people suggest this method but they don't recommend to starve any healthy animal just to make it eat a specific type of food. If they want to eat it they will eat it within resonable time - if they don't like it they will not. They said its cruel and does not benefit anything, at least his juvenile health. If he has not eaten cgd by himself for the past 8 months he will most likely not start any time soon either, they said. Some individuals just doesn't like cgd as some geckos refuses to eat insects (which is even more weird).
                    Now I have a very happy gecko and maybe some day as he grows older and mature he will find Pangea irresistible, who knows. But for now it's back to insects with wet Pangea, D3 and reptile vitamines on the menu, like it or not.

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                    • #25
                      I hope your gecko lives a long and happy life, and I'm glad that you contacted reptile vets; whether they agree with us or not, at least you cared enough to get advice that suits you and your situation. Every gecko is different, and every owner is different.
                      Eileen
                      TAD "Tiny Ancient Dinosaur" (Crestie), Hidey (Garg), O.G. "Office Gecko" (Bauer's Chameleon gecko), TBD "Tiny Badass Dragon" (Western Bearded Anole), 3.1.0
                      Rody Jane (cattledog/stinkwad mix), Dixie Moonpie (rattledog) George P-Dog (lab/Great Pyr) 1.2.0, Ringer (barn cat) 1.0.0

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                      • #26
                        Guess who had some Pangea night snack?! *proud smile*

                        By using the camera it has actually tought me a ton more about how my gecko. Where it moves, where he shedds, where he drinks water from, where he mostly enjoys to hang out at night - and where he feels most safe (and that's in his bed!). A very helpful tool!
                        Maybe my not-eating-Pangea-story will help some others so that's why I write this update.

                        And then, by chanse I found a readers post in a gecko blog about the big importance for some crested geckos to have their food very near their sleeping place, or their very most safe place. Oh!?
                        He eat insects on the ground but not Pangea....why? Could it be a connection there, he's not feeling safe!?
                        So I gave it a go last night. Worth a try, right!?

                        So I placed the cup with fresh Pangea right next to his sleeping nest (which is filled with soft toilet paper, he loves it!) and good enought - success!
                        From 7PM he first ate a few dusted insects at the bottom, drank water from the cup, climbed all over the glass for several hours and was very active - to in the early evening climb up and have quite a lot Pangea from his safe place, from his bed. Couldn't believe it even though I saw it, what a surprice!!!
                        I include pictures as proof! (ha ha)

                        If this was the simple reason to why he did not eat from the cup elsewhere in the tank, that he did not feel safe for some reason, it was well worth all the research for a solution and all stomach ache it has caused me on the way.
                        Hope this post helps others in similar situations! :-)

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                        • #27
                          Yeah! Success!

                          It does appear that your gecko's cage could use more climbing sticks and places to hide. I use toilet paper rolls/paper towel rolls, some of which I have suspended (high up in the tank) using jute twine and suction cups. It might be worth adding some of this stuff to give your gecko more places to explore.
                          3.3.0 Correlophus ciliatus (crested geckos)

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                          • #28
                            YAY!! I'm so glad you found something that works! That has to be a relief to you. Now do try to wean him off hand-feeding for the most part, so that he doesn't get dependent on it again. And yes, it's cool to have a night camera!
                            Eileen
                            TAD "Tiny Ancient Dinosaur" (Crestie), Hidey (Garg), O.G. "Office Gecko" (Bauer's Chameleon gecko), TBD "Tiny Badass Dragon" (Western Bearded Anole), 3.1.0
                            Rody Jane (cattledog/stinkwad mix), Dixie Moonpie (rattledog) George P-Dog (lab/Great Pyr) 1.2.0, Ringer (barn cat) 1.0.0

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