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  • Amaddox
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    Originally posted by Cinderbird View Post

    Because once the bans start, they don't just do giants or Hots or monitors. They're going to go all the way down the line, to your corn snakes and your ball pythons and your leopard geckos and your crested geckos.
    Exactly. If you think USFWS won't try to ban all exotic animals, even geckos, just wait. It will come sooner or later. They are already trying to ban importation and interstate transport of all large constrictors. Regulation sets precedent for more regulation. It gets a foot in the door.

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  • Holly12
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    Originally posted by Cinderbird View Post
    The correct term for these kinds of snakes is venomous snakes. They aren't poisonous..

    Yes incidents happen where a venomous snake bites and or possibly kills someone. These incidents are pretty limited, and as far as I'm aware, the people that responsibly work with venomous animals do everything in their power to make sure not only themselves are kept safe, but the public, children and their animals as well. Yes there are idiots that own a rattle snake and keep them in a 20gal with lid clips and think that it's a good idea (which it isn't). But that doesn't mean the government should be butting into our personal business. We should self police, not let the government do it for us. :/

    Because once the bans start, they don't just do giants or Hots or monitors. They're going to go all the way down the line, to your corn snakes and your ball pythons and your leopard geckos and your crested geckos.

    Personally, I don't want to take the risk, nor do I feel responsible enough to consider keeping venomous (anything other than hognose snakes). Thats my decision to make as an educated reptile hobbyist.
    Well excuse me for not useing the CORRECT TERM okay here I will use the CORRECT TERM VENOMOUS SNAKES.

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  • Cinderbird
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    Originally posted by Holly12 View Post
    I agree with you on that Amaddox the reson why Iam not for poison snakes is becuase I have heard of pepole geting killed from being biten by them. And now Iam all for lizards and frogs but when it comes to reptiles that are not safe then I get a little worried. What if their was a child and someone had a dangerous sanke it was a pionson sanke? and the child goes up to it and it strikes it?. That child will be rush to the ER and maight make it or might not and that's what makes it kinda scary. So all Iam doing is expressing my opinion and I understand what you are saying.
    The correct term for these kinds of snakes is venomous snakes. They aren't poisonous..

    Yes incidents happen where a venomous snake bites and or possibly kills someone. These incidents are pretty limited, and as far as I'm aware, the people that responsibly work with venomous animals do everything in their power to make sure not only themselves are kept safe, but the public, children and their animals as well. Yes there are idiots that own a rattle snake and keep them in a 20gal with lid clips and think that it's a good idea (which it isn't). But that doesn't mean the government should be butting into our personal business. We should self police, not let the government do it for us. :/

    Because once the bans start, they don't just do giants or Hots or monitors. They're going to go all the way down the line, to your corn snakes and your ball pythons and your leopard geckos and your crested geckos.

    Personally, I don't want to take the risk, nor do I feel responsible enough to consider keeping venomous (anything other than hognose snakes). Thats my decision to make as an educated reptile hobbyist.
    Last edited by Cinderbird; 05-27-2011, 09:53 AM. Reason: Sorry for the late edit, working.

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  • Holly12
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    I agree with you on that Amaddox the reson why Iam not for poison snakes is becuase I have heard of pepole geting killed from being biten by them. And now Iam all for lizards and frogs but when it comes to reptiles that are not safe then I get a little worried. What if their was a child and someone had a dangerous sanke it was a pionson sanke? and the child goes up to it and it strikes it?. That child will be rush to the ER and maight make it or might not and that's what makes it kinda scary. So all Iam doing is expressing my opinion and I understand what you are saying.

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  • Amaddox
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    Originally posted by Holly12 View Post
    LOL your so funny Iam not judgeing anyone but what Iam doing is expressing my oppion and I have every right to do that. So who are you telling me that I don't have the right to say my oppoion?.
    Everyone has a right to their opinion, but most people haven't had experience with the animals and already make a judgement. Like I said, dogs kill more people than snakes.

    And if you think that constrictors and venomous snakes are the extent of the bans, it is short sighted. Next will be monitors, then all lizards over a certain size, and down the chain from there. Over-regulation just opens more doors for new bans.

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  • Holly12
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    Originally posted by Amaddox View Post
    What is wrong with venomous snakes? I keep them and keep them responsibly. Lots of them. Who are you to judge what reptile is meant to be in a house and which aren't? More people are killed by pet dogs each year than pet snakes. Which should be banned? That is the problem. People making decisions that have no experience with or real information about the animals. I enjoy my rights to own the animals I want to keep.
    LOL your so funny Iam not judgeing anyone but what Iam doing is expressing my oppion and I have every right to do that. So who are you telling me that I don't have the right to say my oppoion?.

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  • Amaddox
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    Originally posted by Holly12 View Post
    Okay Iam going to say this Iam all for reptiles and amphibians but when it comes to having wild aniamls like monkeys or poison snakes and bears and lions well Iam all for that law to pass. Their are so many pepole that have dangerous wild aniamls in their home and should not be having them. Now a reptile that is ment to have in your home that is okay but if it is not then they should be banned.
    What is wrong with venomous snakes? I keep them and keep them responsibly. Lots of them. Who are you to judge what reptile is meant to be in a house and which aren't? More people are killed by pet dogs each year than pet snakes. Which should be banned? That is the problem. People making decisions that have no experience with or real information about the animals. I enjoy my rights to own the animals I want to keep.

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  • Holly12
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    Okay Iam going to say this Iam all for reptiles and amphibians but when it comes to having wild aniamls like monkeys or poison snakes and bears and lions well Iam all for that law to pass. Their are so many pepole that have dangerous wild aniamls in their home and should not be having them. Now a reptile that is ment to have in your home that is okay but if it is not then they should be banned.

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  • BearLee
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    I have the actual law but for some reason I am having a difficult time copying and pasting it to the forum. If anyone wants a copy of it I will gladly e-mail it to them if they send me a message with their address.
    I work at a facility that uses large constrictors and venomous native species for education. We are technically no longer aloud to allow the public to touch the constrictors or even open a cage when they are in the facility. We have had literally thousands of individuals handle these snakes without one incident..ever ! We have been in contact with DNR and the State through this whole thing and the bottom line is this. Ohio Revised Code states that the DNR has jurisdiction over the Black Bears, but that is the only species on the list that they can control. I do not know if the executive order trumps this (it probably does) but it does mean that after the 90 days is up the ORC would need to be changed in order to make it permanent. I'm not saying that the ORC cannot be changed, but it is not an easy process. Keep writing letters and making phone calls that put the community in a good light.

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  • samanthajane13
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    Gov. Makes Exotic Animals Non Grata in Ohio
    By KATY STEINMETZ Katy Steinmetz Sun Jan 9, 1:55 am ET

    Some politicians issue pardons as they leave office, while others make last-minute appointments. Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland is instead leaving his constituents with a message: Dangerous wild animals pose a threat to Ohio's citizens.

    In an executive order issued yesterday, Strickland restricted the possession, sale and transfer of big cats, bears, wolves, large constricting and venomous snakes, crocodilians and non-human primates (though the last specification is not, presumably, meant to condone the trafficking of actual humans). The order goes into effect immediately but will expire in 90 days - meaning it will be up to incoming Republican Gov. John Kasich to make his own statement about the private ownership of exotic pets.

    The event at the heart of this order took place in August, when a 24-year-old Ohioan named Brent Kandra was mauled to death by a bear at a home in Columbia Township, about 30 minutes outside Cleveland. He worked with another man who keeps exotic animals and was attacked when opening the bear's cage for a feeding. At the family's request, the black bear was eventually put down. Still, people of the town remained uneasy; the death of that bear left seven others, wolves, tigers and a lion in the Buckeye menagerie of Sam Mazzola.

    Mazzola says that the order, which bans the new ownership (as well as selling and trading) of wild animals, has little bearing on a situation in which the victim was an animal caretaker. But the fight over exotic pets, taken up on one side by animal rights activists (and concerned citizens) and on the other by passionate owners, is a much larger story.

    Those against exotic animal ownership, like the Humane Society, say that owning these animals is bad for them, that most private owners can't meet the animals' needs in captivity and are putting themselves and their neighbors at risk. Those supporting ownership often say that all animals were once wild and that they're being unfairly persecuted for a hobby or pet that they love - since highly publicized maulings like Kandra's prove that such deaths are the exception to the rule.

    The problem for people championing wild animal ownership is that however compelling their statistics, their arguments are hardly as powerful as Kandra's devastated parents endorsing Strickland's order. More than half the states have some kind of ban in place, while most others have certain licensing restrictions. And it only takes one poignant accident to get more legislative balls rolling. What do you think, Swamplanders? Is owning exotic pets an unnecessary risk or are the owners of such animals victims of irrational fear?


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2011010...92bWFrZXNleG90

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  • tiedyegecko
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    Originally posted by pturley View Post
    Damn, I would NEVER have thought I'd be sending a politely worded letter to John Kasich!


    Sincerely,
    Paul E. Turley
    Agreed. I no longer live in Ohio but i'm still willing to fight this.

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  • pturley
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    Damn, I would NEVER have thought I'd be sending a politely worded letter to John Kasich!


    Sincerely,
    Paul E. Turley

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  • Sublime Reptiles
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    I had sent an email to the link Sarah had posted, but nothing ever came of it. Then I had heard yesterday that we have a new gov, so I was hoping he would find this law mildly ridiculous and either abolish it, or make much needed changes to it, like I said I feel some animals that they are trying to "ban" are not pets anyways and shouldnt be kept that way. Thank you for the post, I will send another email out tomorrow!

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  • Gilraen Took
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    I don't know entirely, but I did get this from USARK tonight in my email.

    OHIO- Reptile Ban/ Executive Order

    Outgoing Ohio Governor Ted Strickland signed an Executive Order on January 6, 2011 in regards to the possession, sale and transfer of “dangerous wild animals”. This Executive Order mandates the immediate adoption of a new Ohio Department of Natural Resources Division of Wildlife rule that bans private ownership of many exotic animals; including 7 constrictor snakes, all venomous and crocodilians. Possession of such animals currently in private ownership will be grandfathered under specific conditions. All trade or transfer of possession is banned except under certain circumstances. This order is temporary for the next 90 days. The rulemaking process has been initiated and should include participation from all stakeholders.

    USARK is engaging in the process and reaching out to newly elected Governor Kasich’s office. The new Governor is a reasonable man and very pro small business. Currently he does not have a complete picture of the dynamics or facts of this issue. USARK is working to educate the Governor on the reality of this situation; as well as the ideologically skewed perspective of proponents from the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS).

    Governor Kasich has the power to reverse this order once he understands the facts. It is up to USARK and the Reptile Nation to voice our concerns and help the Governor understand that reptiles do not, nor have they ever, posed a measureable public safety risk in Ohio. The scare tactics and misrepresentations espoused by the HSUS must not be allowed to go unchallenged by the truth.

    Please click the link to contact Governor Kasich and let your voice be heard: http://usark.org/campaign.php?id=21

    Questions:
    Andrew Wyatt
    president@usark.org
    252-207-1041

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  • Lunar Gecko
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    This is what you need to do. Use the contact list in the link below and contact the Administration dept. They will be able to put you guys in contact with someone who will be able to answer your questions.

    http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/default/t...0/default.aspx

    Also asking for the conclusive prohibited list of animals for your state (link or emailed to you) will help out a great deal.

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