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    I've had people inquire on either getting a mate for a previously owned Tokay or wanting to be informed when I have unrelated offspring to one they have already acquired. I give the same warning to each of them about how protective this species is over their offspring and how their former companion will not be interested in handling.

    Those familiar with my crew should know Tornado, my biggest male from my second normal breeding pair, and how he has been one of my best handlers from the start. He was the Tokay that sat on the table to be pet when NARBC was held in Houston and was pet/held by people all day including small kids. When paired up with his previous mate, Fujita, he mostly stayed to back of the tank and let her guard the kids. Currently paired with Storm, he has become more protective of his mate and their eggs, as seen here where they were waiting for their tank to be thoroughly cleaned last night.



    Now let me point out that I have not directly messed with either Storm nor Tornado since 12/31/11 and Storm has since begun laying eggs, the second pair found only four days ago. I say directly because I have entered the tank to write the dates on each set of eggs and mist them periodically. I pulled these two out, put them in the kritter keeper, cleaned their tank, and paused to weigh them before setting them back in their tank. Tornado showed his disapproval of being removed from his offspring on the way back by latching onto my palm and gouging out two bites by thrashing and half 'death rolling'.








    I share this wanting people to understand how defensive this species is to it's offspring currently regardless of background. I say it this way because I am not yet breeding two animals that I have raised from eggs so I do not know if that can make a difference. I merely want to further help people understand the reasoning behind this species' natural behavior that tends to give them a bad reputation.
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  • #2
    Note to Self: Never get a Tokay!

    If I find out cresties or gargs bite like this...those will be gone too! LOL
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    • #3
      That's the point of this thread: Tokays should either be a pet/companion or a breeder, not both. Cresties lays their eggs and think nothing of their offspring again (with the exception of seeing them as potential prey) where Tokays will guard their offspring from egg until the baby leaves which could be months after hatching

      EDIT: And btw, I've seen Crestie bites as well so they are capable of doing damage if they so choose
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      • #4
        You might want to pick up a pair of these http://www.kimbersafety.com/proddeta...prod=ANE97-505

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        • #5
          I'd rather not, but thanks. I've found it's hard to tell how I'm holding them and it only further upsets them. I have a pair of ski gloves I use on my 1 unhandleable animal. Considering I've currently have 11 adult Tokays and have had almost half a dozen others since I started breeding them and this is only the second bite of this caliber, I think I'm good. Been almost 2 years exactly since the first one, too.
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          • #6
            GIRL!!!!
            Hmmm....maybe Maxwell will not get a girlfriend!
            I think 5 species of geckos is enough! Lets not talk about the snakes!

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            • #7
              This is why I love of Tokays from a distance...preferrably from responsible owner's pictures; gorgeous geckos!!!

              Hope your hand heals quickly, I just cringed when I saw that nice chuck of flesh gone.
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              • #8
                I think my kids need to be redeemed. G: breed Maxwell and keep your big rescue boy as your buddy, he likes handling better anyways.

                Tornado and Black Frost (who will top out way bigger than Tornado eventually and is already within 5 grams of him) at NARBC Houston with random passerby kids


                Black Frost with my 15 month old nephew (who just wanted to knock on the window at the dog)


                Sericinda has one of my kids and has videos of that crazy child demanding back and belly rubs. These guys are the Pitbulls of the gecko world: they have a nasty reputation due to their natural born defense. You can teach them not to be defensive to you under normal circumstances, but you can't teach them not to defend their kids. If they stayed the size of Cresteds they wouldn't be looked at so badly, but they are in the top 3 of the largest geckos in the world. And actually my Leachianus tear me up more and as bad than my Tokays, I just don't handle them to avoid it.
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                • #9
                  Great photos!!!!
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                  • #10
                    Impressive! Those are two good chunks out of a pretty tough part of the hand, and not a particularly fun area to have healing either.
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                    • #11
                      Wow that's insane. They really are the pit bulls of geckos. Glad we have Kita around to show us the good and the bad!
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                      • #12
                        Okay, the bite wounds make me nervous, but the pics of kids handling those tokays kinda makes me want one anyway. XD If I ever decide to get a tokay, you can bet I'd be buying from you, Kita, and no one else. You're like the Cesar Milan of tokays.


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                        • #13
                          Well I was one of the ones Kita told about the defensive parenting.
                          My 70 gram female Tokay is more docile than any Crestie I've seen, or have, but I wouldn't want to get agressively bitten/attacked by her.

                          I also have one of Kita's previous rescues, who is quite literally twice the size of my female, and he is a monster that I'd N E V E R want to get bitten by.
                          He's bitten me through a pair of Mechanix Impact gloves I have, and holy crap. No freakin way.

                          The guy I adopted the Kita rescue from, has a adult male Tokay "Sparky" weighing in @ 183 grams IIRC, and he has been tame since he was a little pup. HOWEVER, everyone that sees him always asks the, "What if he bites?" question, and the answer is always, "Well, he's NEVER bitten anyone before, but if he did....your screwed!" LOL
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                          • #14
                            After explaining to my coworkers what happened last night, I realized that I was mistaken of how Tornado was with his previous mate. I've never actually taken him from his eggs before, that's why this happened. Fujita used to lay her eggs on the underside of a half log and I would just remove the whole log, eggs and parents inside, for cleaning. That's why he has never felt the need to be defensive of them before.

                            Well I have to say, for all the Tokays I've had they all do get protective of their kids and part of keeping them is understanding your animal and knowing when to respect them and give them their space. It's one thing for me to be insistent with an animal that is acting out of fear from never being casually handled/accustomed to everything larger trying to eat it, it's quite another to invade their nest that they are programmed by God to defend with their lives (or have had a traumatic experience like Avalanche so they only hate and distrust everyone).
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                            • #15
                              That really amazes me, that they actually defend their offspring, unlike most other reptiles. Will you remove the eggs, or let them hatch in the tank and allow the parents to raise them? If you leave them with the parents for a bit, I'd love to see some pics of them. Bet that would be cute.


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