A very unique hatchling

[Silveretta]

I had posted this little guy on fauna and had a request to post him here. He hatched about a month and a half ago, eats fine and moves around OK, though he has some deformities, including curled toes and a wavy tail. He's quite possibly a hypo, similar to one Mark Orfus of northerngecko hatched. Though he eats on his own, he's still pretty tiny for being almost two months old, so while I hope he fairs OK, I feel the need to show him to you guys in case he doesn't make it, either.

I'm sorry for the pictures, I'm having a horrible time trying to figure out how to post them so they aren't links?

[meg90]

Oh he's gorgeous! I'll hope for the best! Have you gotten him to take a bug? That will help him put on the grams.

Current pics?

Looks definitely different to my eyes! What are mom and dad?

[lockkdown]

amazing!!

[lauraleellbp]

Thanks so much for sharing these pics over here on Pangea too, and I'm so glad the little guy is still with you!!

The easiest way to get your pics to show up in your post is to host them someplace else like www.photobucket.com and then just link them over.

[samanthajane13]

WOW!!

VERY nice!!

Sending good karma to the little one...to help him pull through and thrive!!

[insaneglitchx]

He's so peach/orange! Love him! I hope his awesome coloration isn't linked to his physical problems. It would be nice to establish a line of geckos with that coloration.

[Silveretta]

I've offered crickets but he either won't go for them, or can't catch them. I've held off on any assist feeding because I see him eating repashy just fine.

His father is a dark halloween and his mother is a flame so you can imaging my surprise when I saw his head poking out!

[Saille]

Wow. I've not seen such a pale kid since the one that got posted over on Repashy (and if memory serves me right, that one didn't make it). Best of luck with this little one. I am curious to see how it grows up. I hope it thrives!
can you post pics of the parents?
If you upload photos to photobucket, you can post an Img, and it should show up as a pic instead of as links, hope that helps!

[Styx]

Holy crap. I am speechless.

[Silveretta]

Thanks guys! This is his father, hope it works!

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/zeus.jpg

[ReptileChick]

How beautiful. Sad it is deformed :(

Are you keeping the parents paired up? Would be interesting to see if more hatch out, hopefully problem free.

[Silveretta]

Woo! Thanks for the help. Here are the photos so you don't have to click on links. I can take some more pictures tomorrow when there's better light.

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/inegg.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/newhatchling2-1.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/newhatchlingeye.jpg

When I FIRST saw just his head poking out you can imagine my thoughts...I was like holy moly.....could it be an albino? Don't think that's the case but as it is, I'm just hoping the little guy grows up OK.

[Silveretta]

You can almost tell in his pictures it's like he doesn't have any bones in his toes. I think that's what Mark had said about his too, something about foot abnormalities.

[Lauren and Hunter]

Wow. Crested gecko hatchlings definitely do not typically come out of the egg with those colors. Something is different about him, for sure. I seriously hope he gets to grow up and be healthy!

[ReptileChick]

You can almost tell in his pictures it's like he doesn't have any bones in his toes. I think that's what Mark had said about his too, something about foot abnormalities.

That sucks...the problems could be 'attached' to the gene that causes the colors, similar to the spider ball python head wobble. I hope the colors can be reproduced without the abnormalities.

[rhacfreak]

This is amazing. I can't wait to see what he looks like when grown up!!! I wonder if it is hypo or albino, because it definably isn't "normal".

[OffTheRhac]

Thank you so much for posting this! Does anyone have links to forum posts about the other hatchlings that look like this?

[Crestielovely]

He's so dang cute! I hope he makes it! He's a gorgeous little baby.

[rhacfreak]

Here it is!
http://www.forums.repashy.com/rhacodactylus-ciliatus-discussion/17039-has-anyone-seen-anything-like-before.html

[Silveretta]

Katie that is an interesting thought. I hear ALL spider balls have some kind of wobble, but the severity varies. I can only hope I or someone else can produce another with less severe deformities.

[ReptileChick]

Katie that is an interesting thought. I hear ALL spider balls have some kind of wobble, but the severity varies. I can only hope I or someone else can produce another with less severe deformities.

Yes, all have some wobble, but most can live perfectly healthy lives in captivity.

I will be watching for updates on this little one, as well as future offspring from the parents. Maybe with selective breeding, you'll be able to rid the future offspring of the abnormalities. Hopefully it will be that simple, and it won't be like the spider bps.

[sungmina]

Gorgeous and amazing, I hope this baby thrives for you!

[that_girl]

Congrats!!! That is one little diamond in the rough you got there. Lock your doors, lol.

[MoonriseGeckos]

What a gorgeous lil guy--I'm so glad to hear he's eating already. That's a good sign for sure. Please keep us posted...

[BethInAK]

i find the odd curled toes on both geckos concerning!! I do hope you can keep this guy healthy!! He's interesting and beautiful.

[Jess0o13]

please please please keep us updated! how exciting!

[beege_3]

What a little stunner, hopefully he grows to be healthy and big :)

[OffTheRhac]

Lol, I think you're going to be receiving hungry demands for lots of updates and pictures of this little guy, and any siblings from the same parents. It's just an idea, but maybe starting a blog would be a good way to keep everyone updated? This is definitely something that should be well documented from the very start, and it might be easier to do in a blog than across multiple forums.

Just an idea. I'm just so excited for you!

[oo3menace]

Woo! Thanks for the help. Here are the photos so you don't have to click on links. I can take some more pictures tomorrow when there's better light.

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/inegg.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/newhatchling2-1.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/newhatchlingeye.jpg

When I FIRST saw just his head poking out you can imagine my thoughts...I was like holy moly.....could it be an albino? Don't think that's the case but as it is, I'm just hoping the little guy grows up OK.
HOly crap this guy is just so different looking (in a good way). Please keep us posted on progress.

*yes it was necessary to quote the post again to bring the pics to yet another page of the thread. LOL.

[GalacticGeckos]

He is sooooooooo cute!!! Id be in love with him :) such a special little pet

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[Poe]

cute!

[Metal_Gecko]

...a bit off topic, but was that other one in the pic a black hatchling?
If so, I'd be VERY interested in purchasing it. ;)

[WickedGex]

wow this is incredible! i really hope he does well for you. such a cute little monster <3

[lgpgecko]

Wow!!! What a beautiful little hatchling! I hope he thrives, it is a great sign to see that he's eating!

[Silveretta]

...a bit off topic, but was that other one in the pic a black hatchling?
If so, I'd be VERY interested in purchasing it. ;)

I'm not going to be selling his sibling, but I do have similar geckos if you're interested? I just listed my nicest black gecko for sale, but I have some others I could sell for less.

[Silveretta]

And thanks, everyone! I hope he is feeling all of your good thoughts :)

[lilprincess1026]

omg both of them are beautiful!!!

[lilprincess1026]

silveretta do you have a lot of halloweens?

[PartyGecko]

Wow, beautiful-best thoughts to the critter thriving!

[night4now]

Congrats! And I soooooo want!

[Metal_Gecko]

I'm not going to be selling his sibling, but I do have similar geckos if you're interested? I just listed my nicest black gecko for sale, but I have some others I could sell for less.

PM sent. ;)

[Brian(:]

update with pictures?

[Silveretta]

update with pictures?

I Will soon! I promise! Things have been kind of crazy over here with the hurricane. My town was flooded and I have to take very long routes to work. Now my water isn't working! But I will put some new pics up soon :)

[OffTheRhac]

I Will soon! I promise! Things have been kind of crazy over here with the hurricane. My town was flooded and I have to take very long routes to work. Now my water isn't working! But I will put some new pics up soon :)

A hurricane?!? What a lame excuse. [-X

lol

[Brian(:]

I Will soon! I promise! Things have been kind of crazy over here with the hurricane. My town was flooded and I have to take very long routes to work. Now my water isn't working! But I will put some new pics up soon :)

Oh my, forgot about irene! hang in there. :p

[Jaybee]

This is really interesting and I really hope the gecko does well for you!

Please keep in mind that selling should not be done outside of the Trade section though - so please make sure any advertising for selling other animals is done there only. One post has been removed and I would ask that if you are interested in buying you PM the user directly and keep it out of this thread. Thanks!

[Silveretta]

Sorry! I didn't even think about it :/

[Silveretta]

Here are two pictures I just took to show you his toes. He weighs at least 2g right now.

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/hypo.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/hypotoes.jpg

[oo3menace]

Awe, poor guys' footsies and tail look pretty bad. Good luck with him!

[OffTheRhac]

Those footies look like they may be very vulnerable to stuck shed. Good luck! Apart from the known abnormalities it looks like you're doing a great job with him/her!

I can't tell if it's the lighting, but is that some dark patterning developing on its back feet? Curious to see if this little guy continues to develop looking like a hypo.

[MPLexus301]

Love the coloration...hope that one comes around for you. Some Repashy rescue cal might not be a bad idea to get him/her up on calcium.

[Silveretta]

Love the coloration...hope that one comes around for you. Some Repashy rescue cal might not be a bad idea to get him/her up on calcium.

I thought the same, so I bought some a couple weeks ago :)

[Silveretta]

Those footies look like they may be very vulnerable to stuck shed. Good luck! Apart from the known abnormalities it looks like you're doing a great job with him/her!

I can't tell if it's the lighting, but is that some dark patterning developing on its back feet? Curious to see if this little guy continues to develop looking like a hypo.

Yes, every time he sheds I have to pull it off his toes. It's not easy though.

[addiction]

good luck with the little one

it definately is something special!

[StellarAwesome]

I'm so glad you brought this thread up here (I was posting in your Fauna thread). Glad to know s/he's still kicking around! I hope he's able to grow up healthy and with eventually better use of his limbs. (Or at least I remember maybe you mentioning the fore arms giving him a bit of trouble).

[amandarenee]

I think it's time for some new pics to please the crazy gecko people. ;) Pleaase?

[WickedGex]

I think it's time for some new pics to please the crazy gecko people. ;) Pleaase?

THIS EXACTLY!

[Ilona]

:shock::shock::shock:

Wow what a lovely crestie.

Never seen anything like it.

Hope the lil one pulls through :)

[Poe]

Yes please

[lockkdown]

I think it's time for some new pics to please the crazy gecko people. ;) Pleaase?

AGREED! |0|

[Silveretta]

Sorry guys! Here are some pics of the little one I took tonight while soaking him to get the shed off his toes. He's been doing well- eats great and keeps shedding. I still have high hopes for him

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/DSC_1171.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/silveretta/DSC_1176.jpg

[meg90]

Have you tried rescue cal on him? He looks like he's in need of a boost.

[Silveretta]

Have you tried rescue cal on him? He looks like he's in need of a boost.

Yes, I have been

[WickedGex]

poor sweet baby :( is he able to move around ok?

[MollyAttack]

Poor gecko, he's so cute! I also love the black one that came right out of the egg. Very nice hatchlings.

[AltitudeExotics]

On a note about this little one being albino. I was recently talking with Anthony Caponetto about the gecko's that hatch out like this. His theory on it is this. Melanin is one of the last things that develops in the egg. And when a gecko hatches out looking albino or hypo like this, they simply didn't develop melanin in the egg. This would also explain why they hatch out deformed most the time. Though i have seen one that hatched out like this yet grew up normal looking. I even own one from Erica at crown jewel that hatched out this color she says. Who knows for sure but its interesting to think about.

[limegreenartist]

Awww just saw this the little guy is adorable i'm sooo glad he was hatched to a caring person willing to put forth the extra time and effort beautiful yet sad at the same time. Hope he continues to thrive.

[Silveretta]

poor sweet baby :( is he able to move around ok?

I'm actually surprised at how well he moves around. I will find him at the top of a plastic plant in his cage and am thrilled that he can actually manuver his way up there. To feed him though I put some CGD on a piece of paper towel and change it every night, just in case he has trouble climbing into a bottle cap.

[Silveretta]

On a note about this little one being albino. I was recently talking with Anthony Caponetto about the gecko's that hatch out like this. His theory on it is this. Melanin is one of the last things that develops in the egg. And when a gecko hatches out looking albino or hypo like this, they simply didn't develop melanin in the egg. This would also explain why they hatch out deformed most the time. Though i have seen one that hatched out like this yet grew up normal looking. I even own one from Erica at crown jewel that hatched out this color she says. Who knows for sure but its interesting to think about.

Thanks for sharing that. Can you share a picture of the one you have that hatched out like this?

[AltitudeExotics]

I don't have pics of the one that hatched out like that. I bought her from Erica as an adult....

This thread (linked below) is by Sam, (maddoxdobes) She had a gecko hatch out bright orange with orange eyes, but it grew into a normal animal...

http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31943

[Ihkura]

This thread (linked below) is by Sam, (maddoxdobes) She had a gecko hatch out bright orange with orange eyes, but it grew into a normal animal...

http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31943

Well not entirely, poor little Agog's back legs were always "off" and it's looking like Agog is a dwarf crested gecko..

[Metal_Gecko]

....BUT, Agog is the most adorable thing EVER. ;)

[Ihkura]

....BUT, Agog is the most adorable thing EVER. ;)

I definitely will not argue that! :D

[AltitudeExotics]

Well not entirely, poor little Agog's back legs were always "off" and it's looking like Agog is a dwarf crested gecko..

Sorry, i should have been more specific. I ment normal only as in not albino. :)

[StellarAwesome]

Sorry, i should have been more specific. I ment normal only as in not albino. :)

I don't believe this kid is an albino either. Look at his pupils. They're black. He also appears to have some tiny dalmatian spots.
Sorry if that's not what you ment!

[rhacfreak]

Hypo, maybe?

[Spyral]

It could definitely be considered hypomelanistic.

[AltitudeExotics]

It could definitely be considered hypomelanistic.

So could any solid red/orange/yellow gecko, or any red/orange harley for that matter....

[Spyral]

So could any solid red/orange/yellow gecko, or any red/orange harley for that matter....

Many reds/yellows/oranges seem to have some dark pigment that blocks complete vibrancy. Some texts are in disagreement on whether reptiles produce pheomelanin, but I'm inclined to believe they do, which means there are multiple ways to get a red/orange - increased red pheomelanin from melanophores or increased red drosopterins from xanthrophores. This would in part explain why some vibrant reds don't breed true! (Plus incubation temperatures....)

I guess I should have said "aeumelanistic" but it's really hard to spell and say. :(

Semantically, it's not an albino, because by its nature the word means "white". Makes sense in mammals, when they don't produce/show melanin (either eumelanin and pheomelanin), they are white.

[Silveretta]

I don't think he is albino, because of his pupils, but possibly hypo. Something about his eyes are different, and this was true with the similar one from northern gecko.

[kbsdsad]

Oh wow, I don't know how I missed this thread! What an interesting little gecko. It's too bad about the deformities but I'm so glad it is continuing to thrive for you. I really hope he/she keeps doing well!! -S

[Syren408]

How is this little guy doing? Any new developments?