View Full Version : Deformed Hatchling Island E Leachianus
12-12-2005, 01:25 PM
I had the last egg of the season begin to sweat on Friday this last week and by Saturday night I became concerned that the little hatchling could not make it out of the egg on its own. I made a slit in the egg large enough for the gecko to poke its head out but after 8 hours of waiting I decided that I might better just cut this one out and see what the major problem was. After removal I realized that this little baby was very deformed and remarkably it was alive. I have been keeping it in my Vision hatchling/juvenile rack near the heat rope and as of right now it is still alive but, not fairing out well. I really dont know what to say about this other than it really hurt to see it struggling to live. I know that when dealing with breeding any animal you always run chances for natures little coding errors.
Matt please tell me how to post the pictures of my deformed baby.
Clark Tucker @clarksgeckos
12-12-2005, 05:55 PM
So sorry to hear about the little baby. I will keep my fingers crossed that the right thing happens - whether that be for the little guy to live or die. Keep us updated.
12-12-2005, 06:26 PM
Rose, The baby died today at about 3 p.m.. Matt, If you will tell me how I will post pictures of the baby that didnt make it. I dont know how to move pictures from photobucket to the forum since you changed it around but, the forum seemd very nice sinc eyou have. i just need to sit down and figure out how to navigate it.
12-12-2005, 07:30 PM
Sorry to hear about your loss :(
12-12-2005, 09:01 PM
To post a pic from photobucket, all that you have to do is Copy the 3rd box under the image u want on photobucket(it is titled Img) and paste it on here.
12-12-2005, 10:25 PM
Ok That sounds easy enough. I have to say that this little one was so cute. Kind of like a little Yoda. I really wanted to be able to keep it alive but, it was too badly deformed to handle life outside the egg :(
Clark Tucker @clarksgeckos
12-12-2005, 10:32 PM
Awww, he was very cute. Looks sort of like a "dwarf" with it's smaller body frame, shorter limbs, and big head. (Although everything has a big head as a hatchling!)
Here's in memory of yoda!!!
12-12-2005, 11:22 PM
i had a couple of cresteds that looked like that...4 actually...they never hatched and i cut them out and they looked like that...sorry to hear...
12-12-2005, 11:52 PM
Jeff, Thanks for the kind words. I am very sorry to hear about the Cresteds that turned out that way for you.
12-12-2005, 11:54 PM
Nicole, Go ahead and dump the boyfriend and get more geckos. You will love me for that advice in the long run, LOL!!! :)
Clark Tucker @clarksgeckos
12-13-2005, 07:28 AM
He kinda does look like Yoda very cute, sorry he/she didn't make it :(
12-13-2005, 11:02 AM
Sorry to hear about your loss Clark. Too bad he/she couldn't stay with you. If it's any consolation, your luck has been way better than mine--4/8 eggs have died full term so far.
12-13-2005, 11:18 AM
I'm so sorry for your loss, Clark. :( You're right, he was kind of cute... Yoda-ish. Interesting photo, though.
12-13-2005, 01:00 PM
I don't know barely anything about leachies, are they just that hard to reproduce or are you guys just having bad luck?
12-13-2005, 01:37 PM
Harold, You can contact me if you would like about your incubation techniques and we could figure out what your problem may be. Contact me at WTUCKER1@sw.rr.com and leave me your phone number if you would like for me to try and help you.
Infernal Star, I have had a very good year with my Leachianus. I produced 6 exceptional geckos and one deformed baby. I should produce around 12-14 babies this year if the Island C geckos produce a few fertile eggs this year. The Leachies are not as easy as the Crested geckos to get to breed for sure and they require much more space and seclusion. They take a lot of figuring out especially getting the babies up and started well and to get the adults to accept each other well enough to breed and not try and kill each other. They are a lot better off being left to themselves and not bothered too aweful much. Of course, I dont handle my geckos except to clean the cages and such. I know that they do better that way and it keeps them from experiencing any undue stresses. They do usually stay just as calm when handle very little as do the ones that are handle a bunch.
12-13-2005, 04:20 PM
Sorry about your loss:(
12-13-2005, 04:22 PM
Hey Clark sorry to chime in so late but I somehow missed this thread altogether yesterday. Anywho it looks like you figured out the picture thing. Sorry to hear about the little gecko, bummer.
12-13-2005, 06:07 PM
Matt, That is quite alright and I like the way you set it up to post pictures better this time.
I sure hated to see that gecko that badly deformed but, that is life. Not all things go we plan it.
Your good friend,
12-13-2005, 08:46 PM
Im so sorry for your loss clark, it's so unfortunate that the hatchling couldn't survive. It happens unfortunately to the best of us :(
12-14-2005, 05:58 PM
I'm so sorry to hear that you lost that one Clark :cry: . I hope you don't have to endure any more deformities in the future.
12-14-2005, 06:17 PM
Marina, Thanks alot for the sympathy I feel like I need it after that but, I can assure you that with all the really rare forms of geckos that I am aquiring, keeping, and breeding that I will always have at least one a year. I had 2 this year so far out of about 150 hatchlings so, that is acceptable by me. I really hate to see them alive like that though. It seems to be much more commom at the end of production so, I am guessing it is a sperm quality issue but, I am not sure??
12-14-2005, 07:00 PM
how many leachies do u have?and what local?
12-14-2005, 07:11 PM
Jeff, Just a few, LOL!! I am only working with a couple pairs. I have a adult pair of Island E's and Island C's that I am working with. How many do you have?? Are you breeding any Leachies yourself?
12-14-2005, 07:38 PM
nice...island C are the biggest correct????i have a male right know...pine isle...getting a female next year..and should be breeding in 2-3 years...what a wait....may get some isle Es next year too...
12-14-2005, 07:54 PM
sorry clark yoda was so cool
12-14-2005, 08:08 PM
Wish I could get some super anas or some really nice Nuu Ana and breed those beauts!
12-14-2005, 09:08 PM
Jeff, The Island E geckos are usually the largest of the Island Forms (Henkel's Giants) and the Island C geckos are usually about in the middle with the Nuu Ana and Nu Ami being the smallest of the Henkel Giants. The Pine Island Henkel Giants are usually just as big if not just a bit smaller than the Island E geckos. The Island E geckos usually tend to be much prettier animals since a pure Pine Island is usually very light and not colorful like soe of the other forms. Here is a picture of a nice Island E gecko. He is actually getting alot more yellow and alot more pink in his spots and banding now since this picture is actually over 1 tyear old. He weighs in at over 200 grams and is just over 12 inches in total length. His name is "Tank", LOL!!
12-14-2005, 09:20 PM
NICE....sorry i was thinking of the TYPE C...my pine isle is small then..hes only 7 in TL and hes 17 months old...owell hes still cool as hell....here he is
12-14-2005, 09:43 PM
Jeff, That is a nice Pine Island gecko. Good to see a pure form of Leachie, LOL!! Most of the time you see hybrids that someone is trying to pass of as one form or another. What are you feeding him?? He should be quite a bit larger than that. At that age most of the larger Henkel Giants are about 9 to 10 inches or so. Try him on f/t newborn pinkie mice heated in almost boiling water until completely thawed and still rather warm. Then slice the brain area open to let it get the scent. Put them in right before the lights go out and see if they arent gone in the morning. Also with Leachies you need a 85 degree spot in the tank "somewhere for them to bask". That should help get him into a good growth spurt so that he will not get his hiney whipped when you introduce him to a adult female which is usually 150 grams or better in that form, LOL!!
Hope that this helped a little.
Clark Tucker @clarksgeckos
12-14-2005, 09:48 PM
ive only had him for a month now...i got him from bobby pruett...ill get him a basking light tommarow..i have a heat pad under his cage..should i keep it or remove it?.hes eating the diet...but hes not eating it great ...but ill try to get him to eat the pinky...yah im going to try and keep it pure...thats just how i role :)..thanks for the help
12-14-2005, 10:36 PM
Jeff, What diet are you using?? If you are using my diet and the gecko came from Bobby Pruett that is why he hasnt taken to it that well yet. Bobby doesnt use my diet to feed his geckos because, he is the one that was bad mouthing me and my diet, LOL!! Leachies get set on say 2 or 3 different food items that they prefer and like to stick with them. He will learn that it is good to him and accept it more and more as he eats it. My Leachies were a bit sceptical about the FGD too when it was first offered. Now they chow it down, LOL!!
If you have the heat mat on a thermostat set at 85 degrees and it is under the cage it can be left where it is. I would suggest placing a hide on the ground there so that he can feel secure on the ground there. I would also suggest using cypress mulch as a substrate and medium 2 inch bamboo for him to climbing on. Some placed at slightly steep angles and some set horizontally for him to bask on. The ones set horizontally can be fixed into place with non toxic silicone just dont put him in the tank for a few days until the fumes disipate. Place a low wattage black light nocturnal bulb (40 watts or less) about 6 inches from one of the horiz. placed bamboo pieces at the top of the cage. I would suggest that all the heated places in the tank be on the same side of the tank and that they are checked using a temp. gun about once a week. That should set you straight. Hope that I was some help.
If you need any help at all just contact me at WTUCKER1@sw.rr.com and leave your number and I will get back to you that day.
Clark Tucker @clarksgeckos
12-14-2005, 10:44 PM
yah...he dosent like the diet...but owell thats him..im giving him the leachie diet from t-rex...yah i have a pice of cork bark on the ground right above the heat pad..i also have some bark at other places some vertical and horizantal branches..and some fake plants....hes on bed a beast...he seems to doo good on it...hes out and about alot...not sure on temps...its just at what its at...:)....after im done with this diet...ull hear from me :) thanks jeff
12-14-2005, 10:55 PM
Jeff, Let me suggest to use the Leachie Diet from T-Rex as a insect gutload since you will starve that nice gecko to death trying to get him to eat it, LOL!! The temps are very important. You should unplug that heat mat since the temps in N.C. never get above 86 degrees. Too hot of an environment will kill him for sure. Never use heat mats, heat tapes, or heat ropes without good quality thermostats. They are fire hazards and they get much hotter than anywhere on earth and that is one of the leading causes of deaths in captive reptiles.
12-14-2005, 10:59 PM
Matt, Will you please get Jeff's address and send him a free sample and send me a bill or I will send you extra in your next order. I also will pay you for the shipping to him for the sample. I will take care of whatever expense there is. Thanks my good friend,
12-14-2005, 11:01 PM
...its on med...ive been using them for 7 years..and they work ok...i just used my brother inlaws temp gun and its 79 in their...ill see how much he likes the diet...if not much sucess the ill try yours(he never really went after it..just ate alittle he would eat straight baby food super good)..
do they take to raoches ok????im getting some lobster roaches soon...and want to know if hell eat them?
12-14-2005, 11:03 PM
thanks alot ....ill pm u clark...thanks alot...
12-14-2005, 11:07 PM
Jeff, Some eat bugs ok and some dont. That all depends on how they were started as youngsters. I would go with the f/t pinkies since I know that he will devour them since he came from Bobby. He feeds lots of f/t pinkie mice to his Leachies. If he eats baby foods really well give him some apple/chicken and/or mixed fruit yogurt supplemented of course. Those bf's are pretty good for them.
12-14-2005, 11:10 PM
ok...ill get a pinky this weekend...and ill do what u say...smash the head AWSOME :)
12-14-2005, 11:18 PM
Yeah Jeff just thaw it out in very hot water and then pop the top of the head and put it in when you are going to shut all the lights off and see what he does.
Just leave him to it alone and I bet it will be gone by the next morning. I am off to bed. I will talk to you later. If you will PM your number and a good time to call I will get ahold of you as soon as possible.
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